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Simon Brown & Garrick Jones: The Curious Advantage

Updated: Aug 1




Cultivating Potential Podcast Episode 4

In this episode, Karen interviews Simon & Garrick co-authors of the Curious Advantage.


Simon Brown -Chief Learning Officer at Novartis a focused medicines company, and one of the leading companies in the world. At Novartis, Simon has led the development of a new, award-winning learning strategy. Simon, as the chief learning officer, gained Novartis several global awards for learning including the award for Learning Strategy Innovation. In addition, Simon co-founded Brightwave, one of the UK’s leading eLearning companies, which was acquired by Capita Plc.


Garrick Jones - Co-founder and partner at Ludic Group and co-author of the book ALIVE: Digital Humans and Their Organizations. Garrick is a fellow at the London School of Economics and Political Science where he has taught Capstone programs in International Relations and designed the ground-breaking Open Innovation Program. His research is focused on Creative Economies and large-scale support systems for commerce, culture, education, and community development in which innovation is critical. He advises on numerous projects for corporations and governments and state-of-the-art think tanks, including the award-winning Future Trends Forum. He works with Fortune 100 clients, governments, the UN, and UNDP.

To connect and learn more

Be sure to connect with Simon and Garrick on LinkedIn as well as check out their book The Curious Advantage

Also, be sure to connect with host Karen Zeigler on LinkedIn where she talks about the future of leadership - leading by design. Learn to use the innovative leadership principles of design thinking to transform the future of how your company works. You can also check out more of her content on her Youtube channel.